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RE: Post Trump fallout

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd February 2021, 21:50

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"Yep,  & therein lies the suspicion of nefarious misdeeds."

Fair enough if it can be proved, enabled Kevin Costner to get Bob De Niro after all...

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Robee J Shepherd (undefined) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 12:34

Happy 4th of March, aka the next QAnon conspiracy failure day!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56260345

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But some of his fervent followers who support the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory believe he'll be coming back sooner - and will somehow be returned to power on 4 March

Maybe they will now get bored and go play with the flat earthers?

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 13:24

I was actually amazed that so many people had actually bought into the insane belief that on inauguration day, before Joe took the oath of office, a squadron of some military types were going to storm out of hidden corridors in the Capitol building, arrest every Democrat (& participating Republicans, I guess) and summarily execute them for treason, there and then.

I can understand some people going along with it as a perverse pipe dream, but some people actually believed that was what was going to happen.

Even though some Qanon losers are trying to step back from the miracle re-inauguration theory, there are many who are placing moralistic bets on it happening, to the stage where everyone working at the Capitol building have been given the day off as internet rumblings suggest there's going to be another attempt to take control by Trump-supporting neanderthals, even though the national guard are still in situ.

I'll get the popcorn.

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 20:05

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Pete-MK says...
"Even though some Qanon losers are trying to step back from the miracle re-inauguration theory, there are many who are placing moralistic bets on it happening, to the stage where everyone working at the Capitol building have been given the day off as internet rumblings suggest there's going to be another attempt to take control by Trump-supporting neanderthals, even though the national guard are still in situ."

Massive overreaction from both sides...

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 20:09

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"Massive overreaction from both sides..."

Not really, considering the National Guard was intentionally hamstrung last time and the Capitol was overrun. Call it an overabundance of caution. You can't call it an overreaction when they last time there were 'rumblings' of this ilk 5 people died.


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RE: Post Trump fallout

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 20:18

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"You can't call it an overreaction when they last time there were 'rumblings' of this ilk 5 people died."

Aye, I can.

Both sides seem to believe that we're living in a real-life version of White House Down or Olympus Has Fallen.  Real life ain't a Bond film, and there's no major conspiracy being held together by some mysterious evil billionaire...

I agree 5 people died, it was a tragedy and whatever that was on January 6th was inexcusable and everyone involved needs the book thrown at them, but there was no chance that was anything as serious as is being made out.  

That wasn't an attempted coup, that was just a protest that got lucky due to some inside help...

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Robee J Shepherd (undefined) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 20:22

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"that was just a protest that got lucky due to some inside help..."

It was a lot more than a protest that got lucky. Sure a bunch of people were there protesting and got carried away, but some people where there to capture members of congress and do who-knows-what until Trump was re-elected.

If a coup needs a certain number of people to be a coup, then you have a point, but if it doesn't... you have an opinion which disagrees with the factual documented evidence.


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RE: Post Trump fallout

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 21:40

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Si Wooldridge says...
"that was just a protest that got lucky due to some inside help..."
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"I agree 5 people died... but there was no chance that was anything as serious as is being made out. "


The flippancy of those sentences shows how little of what happened you're willing to accept.

It's now known elected GOP members gave 'guided tours' to people who are now known to have taken part in the attack on the capitol, pointing out offices of certain Senators, Pelosi included.

Trump's newly-appointed Chief of staff at the Pentagon issued directives in the weeks leading up to the attack that he, and ONLY he, could authorise backup troops to be deployed to emergency situations. National guard troops were 'loaded onto buses' awaiting deployment on jan 6th. The were told to roll out 3 hours and 19 minutes after frantic requests for help were received. In that time 5 people died or were dying.

Proud Boy members were receiving equipment (riot shields, bear spray, monetary donations) in the weeks leading up to the attack.

There was no 'luck' there. It was orgainsed & sponsored, and now, weeks after one of the most horrific attacks on a supposed democracy is being defended by people trying to fudge facts, deploy whataboutism, or simply trying to persuade people to 'move on'. It's sickeningly reprehensible.

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Thursday, 4th March 2021, 21:43

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Robee J Shepherd says...
"If a coup needs a certain number of people to be a coup, then you have a point, but if it doesn't... you have an opinion which disagrees with the factual documented evidence."

I disagree:

Coup d'étatA coup d'état or coup is the removal and seizure of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator. Many scholars consider a coup successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days.

I would agree that some individuals involved within the January 6th demonstration may well have had this in mind, but not enough people to have been organised properly and those identified as out to capture members of Congress clearly weren't that organised either.

I've seen more than a few coups and attempted coups in my lifetime and that was, in my opinion, nowhere near one.

As you say though, that's just my opinion.

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RE: Post Trump fallout

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Tuesday, 16th March 2021, 21:43

Here's an interesting read if you've got a spare 15 minutes or so

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ICA-declass-16MAR21.pdf

tl;dr -


Nothing from China though, oddly enough.

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